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Daryl Barrett
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Bruce,i must firstly say that I agree with you're thoughts.As far as entering, let's say a dog in the race,it would,as you have said,throw up some real issue's as what to do.If I was lucky enough to own a dog outright & also trained it, who was in the top 10 greyhounds racing in Australia who could realisticly win the final,then I guess I would seriously have to have a "throw at the stump's" for a few reasons.First of all is the uncertainty of the industry long term,even though at present it look's like surviving in most state's,that has the potential to change dependent on a few too many "indescretion's" within the industry as a whole,secondly & more so ,how many sire's have the potential to earn 1 million $ in their stud dutie's,especially now,given the breeding restrictions in place ?.The main issue for me in this race concept is the fact that the re-homing of all greyhounds,( barring catastrophic injury or total un-suitibility for adoption/re-homing),was already in place before this race was thought of,& regardless if you own/train a greyhound who win's this race or never run's a place in 50 state's,that greyhound will still be looked after for life ( as it should be ) anyway,go figure.Like many have said,& i agree 100% ,basically,the power's to be,have put "the cart before horse" on this by not not being crystal clear with certain area's that surround the race,surely,it can't be that hard to get everything right BEFORE promoting this race?Your'e very kind to them when you only used the word " incompetent "


Carly Absalom
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Anthony McVicker wrote:

Interesting rule.

You win the race, do something wrong 5 years later and they want the funds back ?

Am i reading correctly ?

24.
Any prizemoney must be immediately repaid to GRNSW if the owner or trainer of
that greyhound is found guilty of a contravention of the GWIC Greyhound Racing
Rules at any time during or following the Event and/or any Associated Event
(whether the conduct the subject of the contravention took place before or after
the Event and/or any Associated Event). The amount of any repayment, and from
whom it may be recovered (being any
person who was awarded the prizemoney), shall
be determined by GRNSW in its discretion. The amount of any repayment under this
clause may be recovered by GRNSW as a debt in a court of competent jurisdiction.

And it seems to be any rule as well as no time limit. So you have a dog that is more than 1kg from its last race start and you have to pay back the million dollars?

I am also unsure as to who has to pay it back. If the trainer breaches a rule much later does the owner also lose their share of the prizemoney and vice versa? The amount of any repayment, and from whom it may be recovered (being any person who was awarded the prizemoney), shall be determined by GRNSW it its discretion.

Clause 3 is also an issue. GRNSW has sole discretion to accept or reject the nomination of any greyhound for entry to compete in the Event or Associated Event for any reason whatsoever.

So because they dont like you they can reject your nomination?




Daryl Barrett
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Carly,is that fair dinkum about the 1kg difference?,shit,if you're were the winning greyhound,then retired,you would be filthy at your'e owner for not being allowed to enjoy you'e retirement & allowed a few extra tid bit's & the odd snag or two off the family barbie!!As far as having to pay back money if the condition's breached,i read it that both owner & trainer would have to,even if it wasn't the fault of the innocent party,& then there is clause 3,i have a feeling that this race is looking like any other group 1 race,if you don't have a Group dog ( probably group 3 capabilities at worst ),then don't bother, you probably have little chance of winning a semi,let alone the final,but gee there is a lot of "covering one's arse" in the conditions,there are more twist & turns than a "spaghetti western",....bugger me.


Carly Absalom
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19 Aug 2018 06:16


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Daryl, the kilo is only between race starts. If more than a month between race starts you get two kilos. After retirement no rules in relation to their weight.



Daryl Barrett
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Carly,yeah I know the rules on racing Weight's from race to race,but I thought you meant after retirement,ha ha ha,sorry I misunderstood you're concern.( I didn't think they would be that ridiculous).


Michael Worth
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Why did they ban racing in the ACT , what was their reason, more to come from this I think. You ban racing in a state where parliament sits and then announce a million dollar race for the industry. Smells like a dead rat to me. Cheers


Daryl Barrett
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In short,no money in it for them Michael.


Bill Deguara
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michael worth wrote:

Why did they ban racing in the ACT , what was their reason, more to come from this I think. You ban racing in a state where parliament sits and then announce a million dollar race for the industry. Smells like a dead rat to me. Cheers

Selling the land is a great incentive.





Grant Thomas
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20 Aug 2018 16:27


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michael worth wrote:

Why did they ban racing in the ACT , what was their reason, more to come from this I think. You ban racing in a state where parliament sits and then announce a million dollar race for the industry. Smells like a dead rat to me. Cheers

ACT is NOT a state...

NSW announced the million dollar race...nothing to do with the ACT...


Bruce Teague
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michael worth wrote:

Why did they ban racing in the ACT , what was their reason, more to come from this I think. You ban racing in a state where parliament sits and then announce a million dollar race for the industry. Smells like a dead rat to me. Cheers

Michael,

You're mixing your states, although the official ACT policy explanation was that it was following on from the Baird ban in NSW.

There was no "reason"; it was due to a "belief" of the Greens that everything they don't like should be stopped. Labor agreed to the ban as that was a condition of the Greens joining Labor in the ruling coalition.

Unlike in NSW, the Canberra population did not rise up and force a change of mind. So the club is now racing at Goulbourn. A great pity as the club offered excellent sandwiches and fruit cake.

Further Greens policies include bans on horse racing, pigeon racing and dog shows. However, my personal award goes to leader di Natale who told the National Press Club that the solution to unemployment was to cut the working week for everyone to four days. Work that one out!




Mark Donohue
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20 Aug 2018 22:40


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grant thomas wrote:

michael worth wrote:

Why did they ban racing in the ACT , what was their reason, more to come from this I think. You ban racing in a state where parliament sits and then announce a million dollar race for the industry. Smells like a dead rat to me. Cheers

ACT is NOT a state...

NSW announced the million dollar race...nothing to do with the ACT...

I dont think Michael was suggesting the ACT is a State. I believe he was referring to NSW banning racing here n then coming up with a Million Dollar Race two years later. They did BAN racing here, yeah ? Hes right, it stinks.

Anyway, I hope someone from NSW wins the big one.


Tony Digiorgio
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20 Aug 2018 23:47


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Bruce Teague wrote:

michael worth wrote:

Why did they ban racing in the ACT , what was their reason, more to come from this I think. You ban racing in a state where parliament sits and then announce a million dollar race for the industry. Smells like a dead rat to me. Cheers

Michael,

You're mixing your states, although the official ACT policy explanation was that it was following on from the Baird ban in NSW.

There was no "reason"; it was due to a "belief" of the Greens that everything they don't like should be stopped. Labor agreed to the ban as that was a condition of the Greens joining Labor in the ruling coalition.

Unlike in NSW, the Canberra population did not rise up and force a change of mind. So the club is now racing at Goulbourn. A great pity as the club offered excellent sandwiches and fruit cake.

Further Greens policies include bans on horse racing, pigeon racing and dog shows. However, my personal award goes to leader di Natale who told the National Press Club that the solution to unemployment was to cut the working week for everyone to four days. Work that one out!

What about cat shows, bird shows, The Easter Show and the Zoo...

What a bunch of drop kicks. They should be barred from breathing the same air that "normal" people breath.


Carly Absalom
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Well the terms and conditions are now on the website.

Entry fees are there, though no details on how/when you pay.

Still not clear if you can keep it for breeding after. Also not sure what happens if GAP or private providers asses the greyhound as unsuitable for rehoming.

Still has the problematic Clauses 3 and 24.



Michael Worth
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Hey Mark i probably did call it a state. Its been a while since I was at school and of course Im one of those lowlifes who owns and races greyhounds. The point I was trying to make is that anything that happens in any state will at some time be discussed at the round table in the ACT. I understand it was a State decision but after admitting that they got it wrong why would the political capital then go and ban it there. To me its just seems like the start of something bigger. You can buy fireworks there, You can carry dope around( shouldnt have to look far to find one of those). Porn shops are plentiful but you cant race a greyhound. A another C closed T track.
Cheers


Terry Jordan
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21 Aug 2018 21:39


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michael worth wrote:

Hey Mark i probably did call it a state. Its been a while since I was at school and of course Im one of those lowlifes who owns and races greyhounds. The point I was trying to make is that anything that happens in any state will at some time be discussed at the round table in the ACT. I understand it was a State decision but after admitting that they got it wrong why would the political capital then go and ban it there. To me its just seems like the start of something bigger. You can buy fireworks there, You can carry dope around( shouldnt have to look far to find one of those). Porn shops are plentiful but you cant race a greyhound. A another C closed T track.
Cheers

And Michael an ever expanding ZOO!!!!

Shouldn't our Greyhound Mob, be advertising the Million Dollar races this way. A $230 Dollar Maiden winner at Muswellbrook will be treated the same as the "Million Dollar " race winner??


Sandro Bechini
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21 Aug 2018 22:30


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michael worth wrote:

You can buy fireworks there,

You can carry dope around( shouldnt have to look far to find one of those).

Porn shops are plentiful but you cant race a greyhound.

A another C closed T track.
Cheers

That's the complete irony of the ACT.


Bruce Teague
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michael worth wrote:

Hey Mark i probably did call it a state. Its been a while since I was at school and of course Im one of those lowlifes who owns and races greyhounds. The point I was trying to make is that anything that happens in any state will at some time be discussed at the round table in the ACT. I understand it was a State decision but after admitting that they got it wrong why would the political capital then go and ban it there. To me its just seems like the start of something bigger. You can buy fireworks there, You can carry dope around( shouldnt have to look far to find one of those). Porn shops are plentiful but you cant race a greyhound. A another C closed T track.
Cheers

Michael,

Just for future reference, the Commonwealth and the ACT local government are two different beasts. The Feds have no direct power over racing (or hospitals, schools or road rules) while the ACT government can do pretty much as it likes in those areas.

The Feds also have no direct power over betting although they have entered the discussion indirectly in trying to wipe out the intrusions by "illegal" overseas operators which return no benefits to the racing industry.

ACT dog racing was banned simply because while Labor led in the last election it did not have enough numbers to govern in its own right. So it did a deal with the Greens (two MPs) which, in turn, insisted on the dog ban as a condition of joining in a coalition government. They were aided by a supposedly independent consultant with remarkably greenish colouring. Libs campaigned strongly in favour of dog racing but never had the numbers.

Incidentally, to mix subjects, this sort of thing is another reason why V'Landys should take a more statesman-like attitude in NSW.

Having sunk the dogs, the ACT Greens will now target the local gallops (as well as pigeon racing and dog shows). One victory should be followed by another, in their view. NSW is no different in principle so it would be sensible for V'Landys to first support the entire racing scene, whether horses or racing frogs. If all prosper then each code will be better off.

On the other hand, if NSW dog racing were to disappear then the gallops would come under more severe threat from antis like AA and Peta, Greens and RSPCA. Note carefully that V'Landys is belatedly scrambling around, as we speak, trying to set up whole-of-life tracking for horses, just as has already occurred for greyhounds.

In a climate where the trots are struggling, and anti-gambling forces getting more say, it makes no sense for him to torpedo the dogs. A prosperous greyhound industry would be an asset for horse racing - and TABCORP would love it, too. The more the merrier.




Mark Donohue
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No worries Michael. Different States and Territories have their own Parliament and they are different to Federal Parliament.


Michael Worth
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Thanks Bruce and Mark , never really did understand politics too well and not sure it would make a difference if I did. A another C crisis T today. Thanx guys. Cheers 🍻



Mark Donohue
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Carly Absalom wrote:

Well the terms and conditions are now on the website.

Entry fees are there, though no details on how/when you pay.

Still not clear if you can keep it for breeding after. Also not sure what happens if GAP or private providers asses the greyhound as unsuitable for rehoming.

Still has the problematic Clauses 3 and 24.

Its like they are playing catch up. It might be policy on the run.

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