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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
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Larissa Darragh
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11 Oct 2009 23:15


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Hi all,

Has anyone ever used Livermol as a supplement for their greyhounds? I know it is used a lot with horses, but am not sure re dogs. Thanks!

Kind regards
Larissa


Zoe Lowien
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11 Oct 2009 23:28


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Hi Larissa,

I have used Livamol on dogs, It goes OK but will make them loose. There is a product called "Super 14" which is imported from overseas by J.C Milton EXTERNAL LINK It's more expensive but it blows away Livamol by comparisson. It's loaded with amino acids and several different kinds of Omega's which helps them bulk up as well as adding shine to their coats.


Larissa Darragh
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12 Oct 2009 00:13


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Thanks heaps Zoe, will check out Super 14!


Wal Simmons
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12 Oct 2009 02:27


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Larissa, I can tell you that livamol is very popular amongst greyhound trainers -probably more so amongst pups as its a cheap and effective supplement. It can be used for all types of animals there are feeding rates not just for horses on the packaging but everything from dogs to llamas. I've personally don't find it makes the dogs loose -the quantity I use with my race dogs is one full tea-spoon in dinner. And their coats are always shiny. Although the doasage recommendation is higher on the package. I guess you get what you pay for as livamol is a quarter the price of super14. Livamol contains vitamins A,D3,B1,B2,B6,B12,as well as copper, cobalt, iodine, zinc, magnesium, calcium, phosphorus, flourine. Protein=20%, fat=5%,fibre=9%. Ingredients include molasses, protein and oil seed(linseed) meals, cod liver oil. Whew! I sound like a sales rep. Its good stuff.


Larissa Darragh
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12 Oct 2009 02:32


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Thanks Wal. Would people feeding livermol as a supplement also add calcium?


Wal Simmons
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12 Oct 2009 23:37


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(Vet) Konke in 1998 published recommendation that a racing greyhound receive 6,000 to 8,000 mg Calcium per day. A dosage of 25 gms livamol would only provide 1,000mg. So yes- more is required.



Mick Crowe
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13 Oct 2009 01:44


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I've been using the livermol and the dogs aren't loose either, have nice shiny coats. I also add a teaspoon of crushed garlic as I'm told it's also good for the coat and deterring fleas. What's a good calcium supplement, I've seen calcium carbonate powder, is this tpical of what's used?




Lance Day
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13 Oct 2009 12:58


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I used it for years . One teaspoon each night on their food. Never made mine loose.


Mal Dawson
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Mick Crowe wrote:

I've been using the livermol and the dogs aren't loose either, have nice shiny coats. I also add a teaspoon of crushed garlic as I'm told it's also good for the coat and deterring fleas. What's a good calcium supplement, I've seen calcium carbonate powder, is this tpical of what's used?

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Daryl Annells
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20 Oct 2009 18:33


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very good mal,
i had arguments years ago with trainers who stood by the use of onions in the stews etc; of there dogs.
being involved at times of showing dogs, these people who i consider the best preparers of a dog(coat wise)would in no uncertain terms point out the dangers of both onions/garlic and chocolate to dogs.
most vets at that time were up in the air about it, and some even suggesting small amounts were not harmful.
we had a vet here in vic; (dr. john murray)whose defacto was a lady called beverely behm (now residing/training) in qld, and bev was famous for her show dogs(rottweilers,labs etc;)and as far back as then, they were very staunch supporters of NOT feeding those types of foods to dogs & cats.
we, today, have all the resources at our fingertips, to investigate these queries, and that link you provided backs up exactly whats been known for years, but in my early days we didnt have computers to avail ourselves to.
as for calcium carbonate,whilst ok to use, it would not be enough as a stand alone product,and as stated before,we have the resources available to look up details why...you must have a very good balance of calcium,vit.a&d, and a product like fish oil(cod liver) to help it be absorbed properly into the system.
i beleive the BIG DOG calcium product to be as good as any product, if not better, currently on the market.
the livamol product is very well known as a horse conditioner and certainly is a good product in regards to helping a shiny coat, so again its a personal usage thing...its a good product but there maybe other products better.


Mark Glennerster
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20 Oct 2009 23:27


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I think one thing a lot of people forget is that most greyhound trainers only have the majority of their dogs for their racing careers, in other words they are dealing with young fit canines.

As the canine gets older much like us humans things can go wrong, trainers in general only have to deal with acute say kidney and liver problems. People that adopt racing dogs often find that maybe things trainers have given dogs during their racing careers come back to haunt the new owners in later life. This can include food items.

Darryl mentions Jhn Murray, well John always told me to feed dogs exactly the same all their lives, unfortunately once they leave the training and/or rearing establishments this does not always happen.

Just for reference we always fed our retired dogs from the same feed mix as the racers and to my knowledge we never had any problems until the dogs reached a good old age, this feed included raw minced garlic everyday.

Dogs like humans can be allergic to certain foods, celiac spru is fairly common in greyhounds, milk and gluten being the main culprits.

Em Gee.



Ann Karamoutzos
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mark glennerster wrote:

As the canine gets older much like us humans things can go wrong, trainers in general only have to deal with acute say kidney and liver problems. People that adopt racing dogs often find that maybe things trainers have given dogs during their racing careers come back to haunt the new owners in later life. This can include food items.

Darryl mentions Jhn Murray, well John always told me to feed dogs exactly the same all their lives, unfortunately once they leave the training and/or rearing establishments this does not always happen.

Just for reference we always fed our retired dogs from the same feed mix as the racers and to my knowledge we never had any problems until the dogs reached a good old age, this feed included raw minced garlic everyday.

Em Gee.

So true Mark - we always recomend to adopters that they feed their new pet plenty of fresh meat, chicken frames, bones etc. And add muscle meat and a bit of offal.
The retired that seem to have the most trouble are the ones fed "human food". Cooked up meat, rice, pasta etc. They claim they have a fussy eater, when in reality they have totally changed the greys diet which most likely is the cause of upset tummies etc.

Ann



Daryl Annells
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hi mark,
to true. same info was fed to me about just feed them the same day in day out.
we humans cant do that so we alter the diet of the dog because we feel it needs changing....and there the problem lies.
john murray was a stickler for that feed routine...aint broke dont fix it he would say.
its just getting our heads around doing that...never hear a dog complain if its getting great food daily year after year...have you?
as for the garlic and onions, i think i will still stick to the warnings...where theres smoke there is fire.
just curious to mark, as to when you were here in aussie and why you are in the states now?did you have dogs here racing in those days or in show dogs?
name a couple from that era and i will put it together in the old brain.


Mark Glennerster
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21 Oct 2009 02:12


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Darryl,

I was in Oz. in the 60's and 70's.

First met John Murray when he was working with Jim Gannon in Richmond, John then moved to Kew before heading for Capalaba with Bev and setting up in Queensland.

I still talk to John on a regular basis, even from here in the States where I have been for the last 12 years.

Some of the top dogs in Vic. when I was there were Lizerene, He's Some Boy, Miss Baines, Half your Luck, Gold Grotto and Black Diro plus a fair few more including Temlee in the last few years.

Em Gee.



Daryl Annells
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hi again mark,
yes i remember jims set up in richmond.
it was easy to get there in those days, but i wouldnt try getting into richmond today.
he was a great man john murray,very respectful and didnt mind lending an ear when you wanted to brag a little...but not bev,she was a little more 'classier' for want of a better word.
john helped us get a bitch called 'society lady' up to top level,and he saved her bacon many a time, and she was 'flying'the year count dargent won the aussie cup after a litter of pups (she was still young)and we were at johns vet in kew trying, on the day, to come up with a solution in how the hell we were going to get her across the table at olympic park, as the vet was deadly(sanders i think was his name)and she came into season that morning.
johns solution....ice pack her womanhood until i get to the track.
well it worked,as we got across the table and allowed to kennel her....but of all the luck another dog in our semi split its tail and its blood splashed over my coat(white ones in those days) and this vet pulled me in...and scratched her. i will never forget that dam siren ringing out over the course that night and my family coming up to the fence asking what was going on...she was a late scratching.
oh but john and bev were great people, and when you speak next time give him all my best wishes and my wife gale, and hope they are in good health (i know bev got cancer?)
i meant name any dogs you had mark in that era.
we actually raced the mighty TEMLEE the night he set a new track record at olympic park....man he creamed the field,i have never seen anything like that dog in my time,and that field had some stars in it,and he demolished us with sheer speed. he was a freak of the highest order.
are you a vet mark?


Mark Glennerster
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21 Oct 2009 14:34


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No Darryl I am not a vet but a physio.

Didn't have any dogs of note of my own in those days only country performers won a few at Warragul, Sale and the old Wang track, best I ever had was a Mister Moss x Riant Treasure bitch, she won a quali at Olympic but had to scratched, like yours she came in season.

Used to play soccer for Box Hill with Monty Tomblin (Billy Vee) in the 60's, he got me back into dogs, my dad had dogs in England.

Learnt a lot from Ned Bryant as well, I worked for Medtron in Richmond, selling the Stimsonic unit, worked for their distributor in the UK but his ideas were not on the same page as the Aussie company so I went free lance.

Had some great success in both England and Ireland as a muscleman working with Derby winners in both countries, all learnt in Oz from John Murray etc.

Came to the States in 1997 to train a team of dogs for the Nationals, did really well and stayed, it took some time to get my green card but all legal now. Dog racing is very different here and I now avoid getting involved apart from maybe looking at the odd dog for people. If I get a problem, even now, John is one of the first I contact.

Em Gee.


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hi again mark,
thought your knowledge of local scene was to detailed.
monty tomblin,now theres another character.had met him a few times when dave power came out from ireland/england with DEAR GIRL, LUSKA DUBH,CLOONA SILVER AND OTHERS ,and THEN WHEN johnny wood CAME OVER WITH GORDON HODSON.
gee my memories a bit clouded, but im sure monty had something to do with a much more heralded dog than BILLY VEE, but just cant think of it,but he got involved with ned bryant and others when these irish imports first came here.
the stimsonic unit...was that the original ultrasounds/contractors on the market?
did DAWROSS take them over?
everything is clouded but its on the tip of my tongue.
we may have met sometime along the way at dr. murrays or neds, you never know.
well mark its great your doing well for yourself after training with those legends,and it shows some if not all has rubbed off onto you.
please remember me to dr. john (it maybe to long ago for him now) as i admired that man so much...so gentle and polite and i owe him many thanks for helping whelp pups and look after my race dogs.
he is a real legend and i reckon he is wasted up there with those banana benders (yeehah, watch the comeback)
good luck with your life mark and keep on keeping on.
daryl


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Darryl,

I sold my place in Kilsyth to Tommy Jones who was a partner with Dave Power in the first lot of dogs that came over after the quaranteen ban surrounding the foot and mouthoutbreak in the UK, they came by ship, Athlone Clipper was one of them, she was the top marathon dog in the UK but did not fire in Australia.

Monty had Weston Playboy and Johnny Wood for Tommy Jones and later in his career trained Mets Man to win the Shepparton Cup but he always said to win the Australian Cup with Billy Vee was the highlight.

Gordon Hodgson was training at Harringay in London when I came back to the UK, Tommy Jones talked him into coming to Australia, he also talked me into returning to the UK, a move in many ways I'll never regret as it gave me the chance to have some good success on the Anglo/Irish scene.

Peter Levy was the owner of Medtron, he sold out and later formed Dawross.

Em Gee.




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DARYL ANNELLS wrote:

oh but john and bev were great people, and when you speak next time give him all my best wishes and my wife gale, and hope they are in good health (i know bev got cancer?)
i meant name any dogs you had mark in that era.

Bev and John own a bitch from a litter I bred called Dame Dimante which won at Albion Park on Monday night (Errol Suell trains her for them). I don't know them personally but by all reports Bev is doing well at the moment which is great news.

Just wanted to clarify, what was the concern with giving dogs onion or garlic? I know about chocolate but never heard of those two being an issue?

Thanks


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g'day doug,
click on mal dawsons external link clicky thing and follow through to karin millings suggestion.

mark g......cripey matey you are like a lost brother.
jones and hodgson and athlone clipper and dave power....i was always at dave powers property along ferntree gully rd, before it got built out, running dogs through the paddocks with dave and his son tony, who is still a great mate of mine.
there were many 'shady' gatherings between that clan of irish bandidos,and i think things blew up a bit between them with DUNMAIN SCHOLAR when he was imported out here.
won at sandown like a whirlwind,everyone wanted a peice of the boy, and i think gordon and a certain few directors from a certain city club came to loggerheads,and some went back to ireland.
my memories a little vague about it all as i was a young man then, buttony power often discussed daves business and it was interesting to say the least.
dave has passed now and all the family have nothing to do with dogs anymore.
daves wife passed away this year,and a lot of wonderful memorabilia was passed around amongst the families.
mark we must have met sometime without knowing as i really did hang around a lot with those guys,and learnt as much as i could from dave power.
a tough tough man who would take no crap but absolutely knew how to turn a dog out, and LUSKA DUBH and DEAR GIRL AND athlone clipper WERE PERFECT EXAMPLES OF HIS PROWESS IN TURNING DOGS OUT IN TIP TOP NICK.
BELEIVED IN EGGS FOR HIS DOGS....and look what they say we should not do today.
this has been a trip down memory lane for me...thanks mark, i will ring tony power tonight and see if he recalls you.
good luck

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