The Greyhound-Data Forum has been created to act as a platform for greyhound enthusiasts to share information on this magnificent animal called a greyhound.
Greyhound-Data reserve the right to remove any post that is off topic, advertisements or opinions they consider to be offensive.
If you answer then please try to stay on topic. It's absolutely okay to answer in a broader scope but don't hijack posts by switching to something off topic.
In case you see an insulting post: DO NOT REPLY TO IT!
Use the report button to inform the moderators so that we can delete it.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 16 Mar 2023 21:12
(0)
(0)
Im curious to hear about broodies that were put to King Fernando ...but never really produced anything much , BUT when put to another completely different Sire /line produced good/top quality dogs .
We all know Fernando is the king and rightly so , and that also he can make an ordinary brood look good , id like to hear about succcesful matings after or before broods produced ordinary to him ?
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Mar 2023 03:06
(1)
(0)
Tony might need to add a Bottom Offspring button as well as the current Top Offspring button ;)
He can be a real rocks and diamonds sire to be sure.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 17 Mar 2023 04:05
(4)
(0)
Indy Fido, Indy Matilda (ex Droopys Jet IRE) outperformed the dams Fernando Bale litter.
Even the top sires bat around 16-18% top progeny (metro wins). So regardless of sire, your chances of a top performer are minuscule. Why you should be concentrating on a sire that matches your broods pedigree. Not the one to guarantee you to sell pups.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 17 Mar 2023 05:39
(0)
(0)
thanks darren ..i was just curious not To many responses here about this ..i have a dam with a litter to fernando not to far off break in...and of course if they are good quality ..i will prob go to a son of fernando next ...But i also have a completely different straw here for her that ive had a strong hunch about as well .
Thats what made me think about this ...if these pups break in quick why would you go away from fernando line ?
But its also feasible she could produce even better to another sire ...so hence the question ...has this happened very often in peoples expereince ?
I should add i am a huge ferendo fan just about any good/top quality dog ive owned has been by him
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Mar 2023 09:34
(2)
(0)
Darren Leeson wrote:
Why you should be concentrating on a sire that matches your broods pedigree. Not the one to guarantee you to sell pups.
Come on Darren you are the classic best to best commercial breeder, you have gone to every flavour of the month sire available recently. You are definitely breeding inside to square ;)
Awaiting the response stating that you are going to use No Easy Beat soon.
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 308 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Mar 2023 10:07
(4)
(0)
At least hes breeding, Paul. Some actually put their money where their mouth is. Keep playing it safe mate, probably best for the industry.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Mar 2023 12:47
(4)
(0)
and the super sycophant arrives right on time. You as such an obedient minion, my obsequious friend.
Having said that, at least you are a "real" person mate. I don't know if you are aware. A lot of us remember when your hero created a dodgy account here on Greyhound data. His mysterious fake friend was always saying how wonderful Darren was and what a genius breeder he was.
Until one fateful day he forgot to log out of his Darren / V12 Pedigree account and into his dodgy account. He wrote a post on his own account using the fake accounts name and he was caught red handed. I don't know if I've ever laughed harder. Pretty sure he was banned over it.
Anyway, apologies for reminiscing.
Back on topic. It's quite common for a classy sire to not click with a brood, only for her to produce to a lesser light sire in subsequent litters. As Darren said it's more about the pedigree clicking or nicking than anything else.
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 308 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Mar 2023 17:51
(3)
(0)
Typical, divert attention from your own obvious shortcomings by pointing the finger at others ;) Though it was you recently accusing me of being fake, and just a profile Darren had invented and now suddenly Im a real person. Gee its hard for us to keep up with your imagination, must be a real task for you lol Now on topic, if anyone dug deep enough, theyd find plenty of litters from bitches that were better than the Fernando matings, but theres be a lot more of his that were far better than anything else the bitch threw. Hes special.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 17 Mar 2023 22:01
(5)
(0)
You really need to come up with new material Paul - YAWN!!!!!!!!
Youre a troll, nothing more! You havent affected anything Ive ever done, despite your efforts and beliefs! More big news coming while you and your forum knitting circle think youre constantly getting one up on me PMSL!
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 17 Mar 2023 22:08
(0)
(0)
David Mennie wrote:
thanks darren ..i was just curious not To many responses here about this ..i have a dam with a litter to fernando not to far off break in...and of course if they are good quality ..i will prob go to a son of fernando next ...But i also have a completely different straw here for her that ive had a strong hunch about as well .
Thats what made me think about this ...if these pups break in quick why would you go away from fernando line ?
But its also feasible she could produce even better to another sire ...so hence the question ...has this happened very often in peoples expereince ?
I should add i am a huge ferendo fan just about any good/top quality dog ive owned has been by him
Thats sound David, no reason not to keep doing something that works! I mentioned her in a another topic, the great Odious carried on the Proper Streak sire line success the dam line had previously - just need to pick the right one.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 18 Mar 2023 00:30
(0)
(0)
another way to look at my question is if she doesnt produce to fernando ..should i risk it with a lesser sire ?
So that would be even more risk non producer to the king ...and pups are hard to sell as it is ...im not in it to sell pups tbh ...as i kept 4 of this last 5 pup litter ..but its nice if you can cover costs ...ill post 4 matings ...you tell me what is best nicks on paper then ?
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 18 Mar 2023 00:32
This dog is owned by me and its early days but hes a potential stud dog son of ferrnando ...so depending on fitness and staying sound i could feasibly use my own dog
Stuart Thompson Australia (Verified User) Posts 8 Dogs 11 / Races 0 18 Mar 2023 06:25
(2)
(0)
Fair of face to Fernando bale produced solid litter. The next to My Bro Fabio four of them her best earners. With a handy one the best of them!
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 18 Mar 2023 07:18
(4)
(0)
David Mennie wrote:
another way to look at my question is if she doesnt produce to fernando ..should i risk it with a lesser sire ?
So that would be even more risk non producer to the king and pups are hard to sell as it is ...im not in it to sell pups tbh ...as i kept 4 of this last 5 pup litter ..but its nice if you can cover costs ...ill post 4 matings ...you tell me what is best nicks on paper then ?
By the look of your testmatings David. Youve answered your own question, youre looking to match bloodlines.
When you look at the low percentages of top progeny of any sire great, good or bad - to just randomly go to any top sire, is anything but a recipe for success. All sires were great race dogs and all sires have top progeny, wed all be rapt to own. Matching the correct bloodlines, is the challenge and key to success.
Fernando Bale is a classic though - sired a by an unwanted sire, but then is the GOAT, thanks to a breeder breeding to the unwanted sire in the first place, the irony is legendary!
Side note - I picked up the free Thirty Talks vial posted on these forums. Id be more than happy with any of his top offspring. As would everyone else, as they then bag him for being disappointing at stud. His bloodlines are second to none, to put into a future brood, as well. So, again its all about having a red hot go and seeing what you come up with.
David Mennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 657 Dogs 5 / Races 1 18 Mar 2023 07:53
(1)
(0)
Thanx for the reply stuart thats two examples now ...geee some popel write some crap on here
one bloke keeps saying it depend which sire matches your broodie the nicks etc ...so i posted for sires and all i got was more crap ....
i rember what paw said about this site when they were trying to shut us down ..he wasnt wrong
and if its not the clunkiest most un user friendly site ive evr come across im not typing
what a waftam
Stuart Thompson Australia (Verified User) Posts 8 Dogs 11 / Races 0 18 Mar 2023 09:11
(0)
(0)
So called successful nicks are so dependent on placement of that cross in the pedigree. But this comment is getting away from your original discussion point although it is applicable. Hopefully your breeding puts all those variables in the correct order. It's really an endless pursuit.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 18 Mar 2023 09:12
(2)
(0)
Youve done a good job above of the waffle yourself!
So, basically you just wanted your last sentence answered? I dont reply to others testmatings, because it takes a lot of time to break it down and work the right match up. I just post a test mating to give a guide to the way Id go.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
