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Michael Barry
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so it looks like the standard warranty across the board on a vial/straw is now 12 months ?
i bought one the other day and that was the terms ,



Steven Martin
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I think if a "SINGLE" Vial is brought & kept at the same place of purchase by the original owner....that Vial should be honoured for at least 6 years or until the sire is deceased within that time, where it should states "No return after the death of this dog".

Should the Vial be sold to a third party, no return should be offered to that person or any other(s).

If that was a general rule, we wouldn't be asking this question.

All the best Anthony.



Andrew Varasdi
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Its an interesting one Steve. But in this market where many sires are getting relatively few bitches a 6 year is not something I would consider. And I could only talk for myself.

1. We are money back or replacement. So the financial risk, ie someone holding a straw for five years, missing and then wanting $s is too much.

2. Any breeder can get a straw to 95% of stud dogs when they need it. the exceptions being BB and FB and possibly some imports but they are a whole different kettle of fish.

3. We do what we can to help breeders. I have always honoured more than I should, swapping locations, honouring transfer replacements and providing services on the promise of being paid later which in a lot of cases never happened but that's life and not making a deal of it. We will always do what is fair and reasonable and as tony says if someone rings up and its reasonable and doesn't cost us we will always do what we can. It might be two years and we replace but no cash option, but you have to put a line in the sand somewhere.

Plus I don't think I would get one more bitch putting it up.

Ie In 2016 when the shit hit the fan we increased the guarantee to 4 pups. we got 20 bitches for the year even though the dog started well with a small number of bitches.

PS excited to see if the reports we are getting now translate into the dogs I think might be coming from some nice bitches and strong support since Jan 2017.

best

Sorry in a rush and there are probably a million typos in this/.




Ross Farmer
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Litter whelped 1 November 2018

Banjo Boy/Runaround Susan (Kinloch Brae/Susan Penman)

4 dogs, 1 bitch



Andrew Varasdi
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Nice litter ross and the few Kinloch bitches he has served have produced - I think Fortress is one of the nics that clicks with him really well.





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Ks flak double definitely helps the kinloch bitches with banjo boy



Ryan Vanderwert
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This well bred bitch EXTERNAL LINK looks to have some quality Andrew ? What is it now her 3rd win including one at SES headquarters ?

The line that threw Awesome Assassin (x LOF) keeps on giving if bred 'correctly' as it has been through the 2nd dam up the sireline EXTERNAL LINK bringing to the table that classic LOF 94% niche. Well bred Jarrad !



Andrew Varasdi
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Gday Ryan. Merry christmas hope All is well. Was a good Mating I think. I actually responded privately to a post that Jarrad put up on the bitch. I bought two. We went halves in two and Jarrad kept two. The litter has definitely got some ability. They are pretty keen which can happen with the banjos. As you can see the birch is very keen and just wants to chase which has been costly with her box manners. I can say we havent yet seen her ability on the track in terms of times but her first two wins when she jumped where both best of nights. She is going to be one of those hit and miss types. I have a dog goes pretty good but same .... mad keen to chase. But these days I prefer that than the other way.

But they can all run. I actually gave Tracie price a bitch and he is doing a great job with her too. She won at Warrnambool last night.

The el Grand senor click is clearly a strong one to banjo Boy. If you get fortress or black shiraz in there even better. It just seems to work. I was really lucky to get involved in a litter with short blond hair. Thanks to John and Ashlee for going with the mating. Anyway those pups by short blond hair are now 12 months. I cant wait to get mine broken in. They look great.

I also bought some pups from Brett Margerison bb x tams wish. Same reasons.

FYI our thoughts are this bitch goes to my bro and Fernando First two Litters. The chase is sorted with most banjos . Think those sires will suit temperament wise but importantly the primo uno factor for me is going to be massive with his bitches. It will be good to see if I get that right.



Ryan Vanderwert
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All good, same to you Andrew, and a happy new yr to the little Banjo's.

That Tranquil Flame damline, once they get going they keep finding so long as they keep racing decent opposition, they seem to improve.

Yeah well, if you gotta theory you gotta run with it don't you. g/l with the pups. cheers.


Ashley Paul Craven
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After having a bit of luck with my first Banjo Boy litter (Flossing 2nd in the Laurels) I'm looking to use him again. Oya Nine Wonwon who has produced some handy pups and Rose Petal Zarr will be the 2 girls I'll be breeding with next year. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.



Mick Whyte
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

All good, same to you Andrew, and a happy new yr to the little Banjo's.

That Tranquil Flame damline, once they get going they keep finding so long as they keep racing decent opposition, they seem to improve.

Yeah well, if you gotta theory you gotta run with it don't you. g/l with the pups. cheers.

Ryan and Andrew, what is your thoughts on doing the reverse and going to Collision with a Banjo Boy bitch.
We have thought seriously about doing this after she finishes racing CLICK HERE



Andrew Varasdi
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Gday gents. Pleas take on board my thoughts as a lock e breeder. There are far more qualified people than I to seek advice from.

However my thoughts follow.

Ash I would not suggest a Penske cross. It has been done with banjo boy litters. First time good quality bitch from us and didnt work. I am sure there are many examples of Penske crosses working but imo I would avoid it.

The second bitch looks a far better mating to me and ticks a lot of the boxes that seem to work best.

Mick the interesting thing is that the dog is almost an iutcross of sorts so the options for breeders are endless. The other thing is that I believe the instincts of his offspring are genuinely good. They tend to chase well and be very keen. They are generally active pups in rearing too. So for those reasons I feel his bitches will be worth a shot and will potentially be reasons why they will succeed as broods.

Re collision nothing wrong with that. I do think collision. Traits in pups will suit as well.
I will be interested to see how a few of the collision sites dams that have pups to him turn out. Some nearing 18 months now.

I still love the idea of you introducing black Shiraz line into the. Ect litter whether it be through Fernando which I do think could work for your good 600m bitch and sets up great. Again only my opinion.

I also like my bro for the wilder 450m bitches he has thrown that are really hard chasers.

I am going to register my two notches x short blond hair early. To the point where if they break in well which I expect and come on season early I may have an early litter before racing.

Never done that before but always wanted to try it.

Not sure if that helps but that is where my head is at.




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andrew varasdi wrote:

Gday gents. Pleas take on board my thoughts as a lock e breeder. There are far more qualified people than I to seek advice from.

However my thoughts follow.

Ash I would not suggest a Penske cross. It has been done with banjo boy litters. First time good quality bitch from us and didnt work. I am sure there are many examples of Penske crosses working but imo I would avoid it.

The second bitch looks a far better mating to me and ticks a lot of the boxes that seem to work best.

Mick the interesting thing is that the dog is almost an iutcross of sorts so the options for breeders are endless. The other thing is that I believe the instincts of his offspring are genuinely good. They tend to chase well and be very keen. They are generally active pups in rearing too. So for those reasons I feel his bitches will be worth a shot and will potentially be reasons why they will succeed as broods.

Re collision nothing wrong with that. I do think collision. Traits in pups will suit as well.
I will be interested to see how a few of the collision sites dams that have pups to him turn out. Some nearing 18 months now.

I still love the idea of you introducing black Shiraz line into the. Ect litter whether it be through Fernando which I do think could work for your good 600m bitch and sets up great. Again only my opinion.

I am going to register my two notches x short blond hair early. To the point where if they break in well which I expect and come on season early I may have an early litter before racing.

Never done that before but always wanted to try it.

Not sure if that helps but that is where my head is at.

Interesting! Who would you consider putting them to?

BTW im not going to do it.. lol





Ryan Vanderwert
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andrew varasdi wrote:

......Ash I would not suggest a Penske cross. It has been done with banjo boy litters. First time good quality bitch from us and didnt work. I am sure there are many examples of Penske crosses working but imo I would avoid it.......

I suppose Ashley when the guy who owns the dog is honest enough to state the above you shld probably take notice.

I must admit Andrew I did think it has a chance of working with Ashley's 911 bitch at face value CLICK HERE as I quite liked the positioning of Penske through a male & female close up, if nothing else I would look to keep a no nonsense bitch with good confirmation and attitude to breed on with. Also the mating is in the x path to Miss Gorgeous thru FBR's Sand Man & Rooster Cogburn and pretty sure that linebreeding has produced some decent types in the US, of course that doesn't mean that same linebreeding will work here.

So whilst it may not be appropriate Andrew to post the failures as they wld be others bitches, wld you know if they had Penske positioning as above with 911 and they were linebred in x to Sand Man ?

Ashley with your other bitch, that wld take me quite a bit of time before I could form an opinion with which way may prove to be the most productive. cheers.

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Mick I wld need to know a lot more about your thought process, before I cld give an opinion. cheers.



Andrew Varasdi
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Hi Ryan. Both in exactly the same spot. Dam sire was also Kiowa Mon manny. She had other litters in oz and nothing really stood out pup wise from Other litters.

But just my feeling and if people ask I say it how I see it but it is always only my opinion. Chat soon hope all
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Mick I wld need to know a lot more about your thought process, before I cld give an opinion. cheers.

Ryan,
My thoughts with this mating has a few reasons, Collision/Awesome Assassin has had terrific results in the past with the line producing Top class dogs like Paua To Burn, Tifia, Mister Twister and now Solar Pak has a nice young litter to Collision.
Also in relation to Banjo Boy he seems to have a nick with bitches with Light of Fire, which you have pointed out with the testmating between LOF and Blue Girl Vane.
And like Andrew has pointed out Fernando Bale is a serious option which gives us the Awesome Assassin and also Black Shiraz which also looks to be very influential to the line.




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Thx for that Andrew. Fair call re Penske.

Sand Man isn't in x in KMM's ped and there in lies the danger in saying things like Banjo may not go well with KMM bitches because with 911 Sand Man is in x thru CJ Ima Bahama which is in 911's dams pedigree.

You may well be doing Banjo an injustice by calling it that way. Too honest for your own good Andrew. haha. cheers.

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I know genius breeder Kevin Burns told me he used to like crossing New Tears with Light of Fire so you may be re right Mick with a similar cross between AA/Collision working, however I wld then take it to the next step and try to work out why that's the case. If you can answer that question, that wld be extremely interesting reading.

Re LOF/Blue Girl Vane that was because Jarrad's line has thrown AA which was by LOF, and Blue Girl Vane recreates LOF at a very high percentage through different individuals other than LOF himself...........iow Blue Girl Vane is recreating a very similar intensity to what LOF did with the same damline.

Similarly if I had a bitch from your line Mick I wld be trying to recreate another Bombastic Shiraz because he produced Bit Chili, or another Where's Pedro because he produced Double Twist through different individuals to Bombastic & Pedro in the hope of that line giving up another Bit Chili or Double Twist type. I wldn't bother about anything else. That wld be my focus.

Now does Collision do this thru any of his dams to Pedro or Bombastic at a sufficiently high percentage (above 88%) ?

CLICK HERE approx 66% ; CLICK HERE approx 60%;
so not high enough %'s there for my liking and that now eliminates you from breeding a possible champion from a Bombastic/ Where's Pedro perspective. It may still produce a champion if you do this mating but it wld likely be to another dog that was previously successful with your girls damline. That's my theory anyway.

Lets look at the next dam up collisions sire line Tranquil Flame CLICK HERE not much there at all ; CLICK HERE again nothing much here esp when you consider Wav Supreme, Sabby's Image & Bowetzel are only cross duplicated in the top half of the pedigree, AND now that likely eliminates you from breeding a possible invitation class type from a Bombastic/ Where's Pedro perspective. The further up the sireline you go the lesser the intensity UNLESS you have a full blood relation attached directly to the sires sire line.......so you are looking at above 94% to 100% range(previously explained in the 'Trends in Breeding' topic).

Similarly you can put in the next two dams Centrefire and Starfire Lady going up Collisions sireline with Bombastic and Pedro and see how they match up. Keep in mind you are now likely looking at mixed 4/5 & Grade 5 competitors unless they are above 94%.........that's from a Bombastic and Pedro perspective only.

That's my thought process when I go through a pedigree. I just like the figures on my side. Then there's x path, xy, outcross positioning, sex balancing, reverse pedigrees etc. cheers.





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You may be right Ryan. I guess I am always nervous when people ask my opinion as there are no rules. You point out examples that suggest it could well work. The fact is the dam didnt produce anything much better to other sites yet so it may be there is more to it than just a one off example.

That said the other bitch Ashley put up lines are working well.

Best


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Thanks Andrew and Ryan for your feedback. I was always looking to use Banjo boy for Rose Petal Zarr, then I thought I'd have a look with 911 with him also. I have 2 Fabregas x 911 pups and one just gives me goosebumps when she runs. I just thought maybe, just maybe the banjo boy match up could work. I want a Group 1 stayer!



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Good luck to the connections of gharb and flossing in the group one derby and futurity finals tonight at Wentworth park.

Both have a big job ahead of them but have done well in their very short racing careers and have done a great job to make the finals.

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